Something always has to b the scapegoat in health so then you get, lets “tax” sugar and how “ahh, look at Mexico!; it worked”. It “worked” based on “statistics” and “gimmicks”, but it did not work [beneficially] in real life to actually bring the obesity rate down. It “worked” like some of these people’s brains — it’s merely a measly intermittent “shock” mechanism; it does not “work well”, and is void of any persistent cognitive connectivity — in practical terms: “junk”.
Folks, in the field of health, there are those who believe the “evidence” and who always believe the “evidence”, and then there is a huge difference between “evidence” that is merely stated on paper, and reality which disproves retardation. So people have the prioritize whether they believe in questionable “evidance”, or whether they prefer consistent reailty, since as many should be aware, there is still and has not been any actual proof that there is a direct correlation between sugar and weight-gain, and if there is no actual “proof” of this, then all of the information being disguised as “evidance”, have to be taken with a huge grain of salt (not sugar) since that would put it under the category of misleading; to frame “inconclusive evidence” as “facts” is doing exactly that, and you know, fools love to minipulate statistics and statistics-based-evidence — design and devise gimmicks based on these things, especially when they realize that they are getting exposed for stupidity, which many of them do realize, which is why they now claim that the sugar is responsible for “insulin resistance”, which causes weight-gain somehow, but as far as I know, people with “insulin” issues experience “diabetes” and diabetes and weight-gain are two different things because of the fact that many people can have diabetes without being terribly “overweight”. So “insulin resistance” has nothing to do with weight gain, it is a “diabetes” issue.
Also, this sugar myth is debunked by the fact that there have been people without access to stores and modern snacks and candies over many centuries, who have actually gained weight, and ironically they did not have access to “sugar” but they all had access to “food”. So if they were gaining weight all the way back then, without access to “sugar” but had clear and obvious access to “food”, then it’s no wonder that there is no proof of any direct link to sugar and weight gain while there IS a TON of clear association between high food consumption and people gaining alot of weight. Again this is *consistent reality, not flimsy manipulated evidence and statistics. There were people way in the past gaining weight without access to sugar, who had access to food, it’s the same thing with many people who live in modern times, in areas and with-in “primitive” circumstances where they have no access to sugar or sugar-sweetened drinks but actually have access to “food” and show clear signs of weight gain although the cases within these populations of weight-gain are noticeably lower compared to the populous in modern urban and metropolitan societies.
In the scope of reality, I never choose the side of stupidity, I have no time or INTEREST for shithead games and gimmicks and “siding”. Truthfully, there is only one “side” that matters and it is the side of GOD, where truth and facts are valued.
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Insulin resistance is not the same thing as diabetes. Insulin resistance is basically pre-diabetic. So the two are not directly related. One can live their lives with insulin resistance and never actually cross into diabetes. It’s like HIV and AIDs. You can live your life HIV positive and never end up in full-blown AIDs. Having pre-cancerous tissue does not mean that you will get cancer. Just because there is a precausal link does not mean that it is a fact. Is that not what this entire post is about?
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Thanks for reading and giving me your perspectives which were greatly missed ☺️😄. I will give a direct response to your points soon — right now I am all caught up with “saturday situations” 👍😂
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It’s just the one point: you’re complaining about people giving junk information and jumping to nonsensical conclusions based on some measurement of false information that you’ve come up with. In the same post, you are making your point by doing the exact same thing.
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NOPE!, I am not “doing the same thing” just because you said it, that’s just an “opinion”. All it takes is a basic google search to see that “insulin resistance” IS very much a “common” association with Type 2 diabetes as much as it is with “prediabetes” cases — the idea is that insulin issues are associated with “diabetes”. So what you said to me earlier is just a laughable matter of grasping at straws 🤭🤣. Does absolutely nothing to discredit the original point where sugar’s link to weight gain is only a fractal of alternative imagination 👌👌😁🤣.
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No, it’s the same thing. Sugar’s link to weight gain is just as “common” as insulin resistance is to diabetes. It is common enough to be linked, not common enough to guarantee the outcome. They can’t guarantee that sugar leads to obesity, there’s just a correlation there – a strong one. You can’t guarantee that insulin resistance will lead to Type 2 diabetes, there is just a correlation there – a strong one. Same damned argument, just a different subject. I am not the one grasping at straws – no attempt at fancy wording to hide it either.
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LOL people are at “risk” for diabetes if they ARE overweight, which is obvious since being overweight affects the way that your body functions overall, so of course you are going to be at greater “risk” for that and many other [unhealthy] things. It is not the other way around, someone who has diabetes will not necessarily get fat solely because they have diabetes. Someone who is overweight is at higher risk for cancer, whereas someone who has cancer is not necessarily an overweight person or is going to be overweight.
Nobody has proven that sugar causes weight gain; no one on Earth has ever gained or lost weight just by solely removing added “sugar” from the things that they eat in their diet. Information that claims otherwise is a myth because it has not and does not happen. That’s not a strong association between the two lol. Again sugar’s association with weight gain only looks that way on paper, not in reality, which is the whole entire point of this blog post in the first place.
But I thought you said that you don’t like arguing?. This is the first lovely comment in 2022 that I have seen you post on a topic I made and you literally chose to argue to prove some futile illusion that I am “incorrect” 🤭🤭☺️
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“Nobody has proven that sugar causes weight gain; no one on Earth has ever gained or lost weight just by solely removing added “sugar” from the things that they eat in their diet.”
FALSE. My sister cut sugar out of her diet and had lost a ton of weight. I cut it out for a while and lost a ton of weight. Literally, THE ONLY THING I cut out of my diet was sugar. She also did carbs, which is another form of sugar to the human body. My father had cut sugar from his diet for a while and lost 30 lbs and put it all right back when he started eating sugar again. I started eating sugar again and I have gained weight, and I only eat a minimal amount – about 10-20 M&M’s a day. Same thing with my ex – when he cut out sugar (and only sugar) he lost quite a large bit of weight; put it back on when he started eating sugar again, and he only ever ate a small amount of sugar to begin with.
Before you jump to any unfounded conclusions about the above stated information – my sister is the only one who also exercised. She cut carbs and sugar and exercised. She literally lost so much weight she was unrecognizable. When she got pregnant, she continued to exercise until her 8th month at the same level she previously did (her doctor said it was OK), but she put sugar and carbs back in. By the forth month she was back to her original weight. Granted, she was also pregnant, but not really far enough along to account for that level of weight gain. My father, ex and I never increased our exercise and we all lost weight. We never decreased it and all gained part of it back. Actually, in my ex and father’s cases, they have both increased their exercise greatly since starting back with sugar and they haven’t lost anything back. So, that’s three examples of your entire statement not being accurate. That’s not “on paper” that is actually “in reality”.
One thing you need to understand – not everything that is true for you is true for everyone. The reason it looks that way “on paper” is that there are enough people on the planet that it IS true for that it can make it to paper. They do not pull information from the sky, decide it’s true enough in their heads without any study, and then create causal links where there is none.
Do I think that because it’s that way for a lot of people on the planet that the rest of us should be limited in what we can or cannot do? NO. Do I think that because I struggle with something they should make it easier on me by making any one else have to do it? HELL NO. But the link is there – and it’s real. Saying that other people’s struggle isn’t real because you don’t have it is unfair to those that do have it. It’s not that it doesn’t exist, it’s that you don’t suffer from it.
Basically, it’s like saying cancer doesn’t exist because you don’t have it. Horseshit and nonsense and you know that. Cancer exists, enough people have it that you can see that. Just because a fraction of a fraction of the people in the world that you know don’t have sugar related weight gain does not mean that it doesn’t exist – it just means that you are very lucky. In my case, I am related to a gigantic portion of the people in this area and I know most of the people related to me on both of my sides of the family. On both sides, weight gain is directly linked with sugars (and carbs). When we remove those things, even if we do not imbibe them often or in large quantities, weight disappears without any change to lifestyle; the opposite is true as well. Genetics plays a portion, as does just metabolism.
So yes, you are very lucky that in your world these things are not linked. I actually personally know about 100 people that this IS their reality. I also know as many who this is not their reality. I have friends, and even family, who can live on sugar alone and not gain one single ounce. Just because they are lucky enough to have that be their reality it does not mean that the reality is not there, it just means that they don’t really have to worry about it.
Oh, and before you think it has something to do with age and the change of metabolism, or some underlying condition that 100 people (at least) that I know suffer from, the answer is no. There is no age on this condition – there are children in my family that have this issue and their are adults that don’t. As far as underlying conditions that relate to weight gain and loss, the answer is no. Some people have thyroid issues and the like, yes – but it’s equal between hyper and hypo.
Also, of the people in my family that have Type 1 diabetes, they were all diagnosed as children, the genetic link to diabetes for those particular individuals is actually the lowest of the family, and every single one of them struggle with their weight. The diabetes makes their weight an issue, their siblings who do not have diabetes do not have the same issues. From the evidence within my family line alone, Type 1 diabetes makes it difficult to not be overweight, and Type 2 is linked to being overweight. On both ends of the spectrum, carbs and sugars (and carbs ARE sugars) are the issue.
So, before you say that this is anecdotal evidence, please realize that it your argument that it is anecdotal is effectively the same evidence you are using in an attempt to disprove the link between sugar and being overweight. It is not something that you deal with, so “obviously” it doesn’t exist. My anecdotal evidence is that it does exist and I have people that I know that it does exist for, and I am one of them. So even if you want to say that I don’t know everything the others do, I can say that I DO know everything that I do. The link is there. Those of us that deal with it understand that not everyone does, it’s the people that don’t that seem to not comprehend that those of us that do exist.
To say that something is completely inaccurate or untrue simply because you don’t see it is unfair to those that have it. It is a blanket statement that excludes all those that do.
As for proving some “futile illusion” of your incorrectness, I don’t feel the need to prove or disprove your insane illusions, just merely illuminate your mind that perhaps there is a flip-side to your seemingly endless blanket statements. I am not arguing my point, I am not trying to make you change your opinion or insert my opinion over yours. I am merely explaining that to me, in my world, my experience is completely different. You might chose to change your mind, you might not. My point is not to try to strong-arm you to my side of the argument, merely to express that just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not real.
Hold on a second – I know someone who tried to use the same argument on me once… who was that? We were talking about religion and how I do not believe and they ultimately said that just because I don’t see G-d, it doesn’t mean He’s not real… hmmm… I’m not sure. I just remember it was an exchange based on some post they made on their page that relied on blanket statements based solely on their experience, they assumed my purpose was to prove them incorrect, they used a lot of fancy words and alliterations, it was back in 2021, and for a while they tried to tell me that not having a keyboard somehow made my argument invalid because they had more trouble typing up a reply than I did. Hmm… I wish I could remember….
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Saying that your sister or aunt or someone who you know told you that they cut sugar out of their diet and lost a ton of weight, does not actually show that or prove that to be the case, because no one actually likes to eat certain things if they are not sweet enough or things that taste really awful wich alot of things would without sugar or some kind fo artificial [sweeetening] ingredient. So it’s unlikely that your sister ate cake without sugar or donuts without sugar or consumed any form of chocolate or cereal without sugar, that previously had sugar. If people were to actually consume these same exact foods but without any kind of sugar, it’s highly unlikely that they would lose any weight. Their weight is most likely going to increase — you are not telling me anything that I have not heard before. So I still must emphasize that unless you cut sugar out of chocolate and take sugar out of cakes, and sugar out of ice cream but still consume those same exact foods and were actually able to lose weight considerably with only the sugar taken out, then the fact still remains that no one losses weight by just removing added sugar from their diet.
Again you telling me this means nothing provable since there have been a number of people who claimed to have “cut-out sugar” from their diets who did not just cut out sugar from their diets (sugar meaning the actual ingredients and not meaning things that are just “sweet” which is what most people mean when they claim to “remove sugar” from their diet). They actually remove a huge number of food groups that contain more than just sugar and seems to have been able to lose weight because of the fact that they just stopped eating as much food as they use to because of the inadvertent effects of cutting out a long list of things to consume, which actually presents a much stronger case for “moderation” and food “reduction” having the most realistic and effective impact on weight gain than things being merely a case of too much “sugar”. Too much sugar is just a flimsy scapegoat to “oversimplify” the issue, no amount of long storytelling that you bring to me on WordPress is nearly enough at all to change this basic reality.
But still even though I understand your point of view, you are not telling me anything new. This is the typical stuff you (I mean “you” in a general sense which actually means “us) hear all the time over this issue. I cannot just rely on what people “conclude” is helping them with their issues, It is not very reliable — I can only go with “cause and effect” and there is nothing that proves that sugar causes the effect of weight gain; this is only being “claimed” but all of the claims people present and make about sugars relation to weight gain are subpar and extremely dismissable and can easily be proven to be false and misguided.
I have heard all of these excuses already; the fact of the matter is, reality is just reality. I did not make reality it just is what it is regardless of what people want to hear or regardless of how many lines of text you send to me. This issue is not about opinion, I made it clear in my original post that this is about “consistent reality”, not what you feel or I feel. This is about the fact that, to date, there is zero proof that sugar in or out of food seriously impacts the weight of people. The notion that sugar leads to weight gain is a myth, it is just a false and misleading claim that should not be taken seriously because it is just rubbish.
I have a great deal of respect for everything that you have said BUT none of what you said here still brings us any closer to establishing that there is a realistic link connecting obesity and sugar. You can’t “what if” and “suppose” your way out of this. Plus anybody can look back and see exactly what I responded to you with and the original context of every word that I have said both to you and just me expressing things in general. This has nothing to do with endless scenarios about what may or may not exist; this is about there not being any substantial proof, not just “evidence”, but proof that sugar directly impacts the weight of a person. So far, the only proof comes in the forms of long drafted-up explanations and verbiage, identical to the alot of what you said in this comment, which is just woefully inadequate. Cut off the chit-chat and emotional ranting, and in turn cut out the sugar from your cakes and or favorite food, down to zero, but still consume those same exact foods in the same exact quantities — lose a TON of weight as a result and then we are finally getting somewhere.
I did not make reality, so for you to tell me that reality is “my world”, is hilarious because I don’t own reality even though it is very much what I know about and I am trying to introduce you to it, if anything. Reality is the same for everyone, it’s just that some choose to live in denial. When the rain falls, it falls and is wet and affects everyone the same, it’s the very same thing with the sun; when the sun shines it affects almost everything or everyone in the same way. It’s the same thing with facts. When something is true, it is true regardless of who disagrees or not, and it is a fact that there is no serious connection in reality with sugar and weight gain or weight loss. You can lose more weight by just eliminating “water” from your body than removing sugar from food to accomplish that effect.
I would never think that weight gain is solely based on age (or gender, or height, or race etc etc) this would be something ridiculous for me to even consider since there are people of all age brackets who have excessive weight and those who don’t; there is no need for me to go nearly to that extent to prove that the association of sugar and obesity is just a fallacy, it is just something that is impossible to prove because it does not exist, so regardless of whatever sub-concerns and sub-scenarios we can throw into the mix, the supposed “evidence” of links that associate the two is an inconclusive perception, which is the main issue.
I am sorry to hear about some of the health issues some of the children in your family have experienced. These are very serious but at the same time just because people have multiple issues that they are dealing with, it does not mean that they are all connected, it is possible for people to have multiple issues regarding their health that have nothing to do with each other, even though they are all affecting the same individual. I could have a headache and a toothache and still have stomach ulcers. Also, you have not established how “diabetes” makes anyone’s weight an issue, just saying that because it’s a common perception, does not bring anything for me to work with.
Hahaha, listen, we can cut the long story short by actually just encouraging people to only remove “added sugar” from the things that they consume to finally see for themselves that the nonsense about sugar being associated with weight again, is beyond anecdotal — it is practically a useless placebo presented as something that is strongly shown to be “linked” in “trials” and “studies”, and yet 99% of people who claim to have removed “sugar” from their diets, have actually “removed” entire and whole groups of different types of food which just resulted in a drastic decline of overall consumption, with nothing that actually shows that their weight loss or improved health in the weight department, was as the result of only “eliminating” sugar from their food and drinks, and to add to that, nobody can explain how if there is such a strong link between sugar and weight gain, then how are some of these people who live far away from actual civilized and modern societies who rarely get any outside help or even want any, are actually able to gain weight beyond the average profile of some of the members within their own tribes and communities to where they look as if they are either fat or becoming fat?.
People gain weight once they start to have access to food, this is not rocket science. From the time people start to be deprived of food to where they start to “starve”, their bodies become ribby, then from the moment they start to eat, they get bigger and bigger and bigger regardless of if they are eating things with sugar in them or not.
These so-called “blanket statements” are true, and they being true would naturally apply to everyone, until someone actually shows that it is possible to seriously lose weight just by only removing sugar and by only not putting added sugar in their food or drink, then I am afraid that these blanket statements will only serve as an enlightening transformation tool to help people not waste time and not go around in circles with futile applications that clearly do not have the kind of effects that they are lead to believe that they would achieve while ignoring the PROOF that when people exercise and eat less it has a dramatic actual effect on their overall weight.
Hahahaha that person sounds like me minus the “fabrications” 🙌🙌😂☺️. So this explains your sudden “outburst” and why after all this time and out of all the content I have posted, you just came up to this specific one to let me have it 👍😁😁😆. I knew that there was some sort of “insecurity” at play but I just couldn’t put down something specific, but thanks to you, it all is clear to me now; this is some kind of whimsical “revenge” plot seeking to salvage some kind of “compensation” as a result of my firm and uncompromising thrashings that I have served you in our past interactions 😈😂🤣 (just joking 💙💙😂). You are a precious lady and I do not like to have “brutal” debates with you such as this one (🤫😂), but the fact still remains that removing sugar from diet to lose weight is just a meaningless placebo effect, it actually does not work.
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I lived with my sister. I watched the transformation myself. I lived with my father – I watched the transformation myself. I lived with my ex and watched the transformation. I live with myself. Should I go on??? Seriously, I wouldn’t have said it if I didn’t ACTUALLY know.
When I said cut sugar out, I don’t mean whatever insane way you think I mean. I mean I know every ingredient that crossed our lips because we all were involved with making the foods.
As far as for me, I did eat sugar free foods. The same foods I eat now – I made them myself – I just didn’t use sugar. I can make a cake without sugar that tastes good; as can my ex. He made some maginificent cookies and brownies. We lost weight. All of us. And no, I didn’t eat less because it didn’t have sugar, I ate the same amount – I just didn’t eat the sugar. I also drink more coffee than I did when I drank it with sugar – I just cut out the sugar and put a creamer that has none but is a sufficient sweetening quality. No sugar and no carbs. Nothing in the creamer that breaks down into sugar either. Literally, JUST CUT SUGAR OUT.
The ONLY difference was the quantity of sugar. The quantity of food remained the same – for all of us. Before you tell me that it clearly didn’t because of some insane logic that only you understand how the universe works, I actually know EXACTLY how much we ate. I can tell you in pounds per meal. The quantity did not change. If you wanted cereal, you would simply eat cereal, you didn’t add the sugar on top. If you wanted oatmeal, you would eat oatmeal you would just not add the sugar like we grew up with. We always added our own because that’s how we were raised to do it. Every ingredient the same, just NO sugar. End of story.
Seriously, I don’t know why you think you know what I have done, or what my sister has done, but clearly you think that you do. And what is cause and effect for someone IS cause and effect for them – you don’t agree, too bad. You’re not right, the person who actually lives the change is. But it’s honestly pointless to continue to explain it because you are in one of your “I say so it’s true” stages.
But I will point out that you did do exactly what I said you would. I said I have no desire to change your opinion and I still don’t. I said that you should understand the fact that other people experience things differently than you do, but that you probably won’t. Instead of hearing what I was telling you, which is the facts, you immediately jumped to the conclusion that apparently everyone I know is in some way lying about what they eat, that I am somehow mistaken in the definition of sugar (thank you for assuming that I can’t tell the difference between sugar and “sweet stuff”), and how I’m trying to oversimplify an issue that I actually stated was way more complicated that you think. It’s not my statements that are oversimplified – I stated that there are 8 billion people in this planet and everyone’s body does something different – you’re the one who decided that because the experience of a bunch of people doesn’t fit your theory that clearly we were all confused as to what we were purposely choosing to do and the results that actually happened.
“ I did not make reality it just is what it is regardless of what people want to hear or regardless of how many lines of text you send to me”
Uh, yeah, my point exactly. You sent a 9000 word response to tell me that I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to my own body. I’m not the one with skewed reality.
As far as that last statement, I have no idea what you are talking about. I responded this time because it came up on my feed and I read it. This is not a brutal debate as I am not debating. There is nothing to debate with someone who has decided that any statement that doesn’t agree with theirs is clearly some fabrication or exaggeration to go along with the status-quo. It’s not a debate – mine is facts based on entire human beings and actual real life experiences. Yours is based on “well, you don’t agree with me so obviously you say ‘cutting out sugar’ but you’re confused and actually mean ‘going on a starvation diet until skinny’ because that’s what I say you mean”. So brutal debate there isn’t one – there has to be actual FACTS to debate with. A hypothesis of one versus the actual lived experience of many isn’t a debate, ts fiction versus fact.
And if you’re still confused as to which one of us is speaking facts and which is fiction, I literally told you about the FACTS of at least one hundred people that I personally knew. You responded by telling me that none of them know what sugar is, including me, that obviously cutting out sugar didn’t change anything and that we all went on some insane hunger strike or complete diet overhaul without realizing it, and that your “knowledge” of a situation you actually have never experienced outweighs our experience of it. You basically said that your “knowledge” of cancer outweighs a cancer patient’s experience of it – which is an example that I actually used in my previous comment.
“ no amount of long storytelling that you bring to me on WordPress is nearly enough at all to change this basic reality”
I would also like to point out that I used 1,384 words in my initial comment, you used 1,782. I said experiences, you told me how everyone I know doesn’t understand the definition of the word sugar.
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Like I told you, what you are saying to me is not new information it is something similar to what alot of people have said on the issue, so I told you that hear-say and personal “claims” and stories are woefully inadequate on an issue like this because it does not prove that sugar leads to weight gain.
Right, you made the claim about cutting out sugar so I told you that people just telling me things and claiming that “it MUST be this and it MUST be that”, is hardly enough to go on. People can say ANYTHING based off of perception — there still isn’t any proof that gaining weight or losing weight by removing or adding sugar into drinks and food is actually a real proven consequential reality because there are many people who do not have access to much or any processed food or sugar at all and they still manage to gain weight, furthermore, weight gain existed throughout time and did not just come into existence because of sugar consumption.
Hahaha saying that you lost weight because you stopped putting sugar in food because you cook food is very very weak “substantiation” of anything. There could be a whole host of other reasons besides that as to why you lost weight, including sometimes “stress”, so again, you will never be able to convince me that just removing sugar from food actually makes anyone lose weight when I know that there is a stronger correlation behind high food consumption and weight gain and a stronger correlation behind less food consumption and weight reduction. Again I have heard this same stuff revolving “removing sugar” before and when it is explained what actually happened, or it is investigated, “I removed sugar from my diet and lost weight” is usually not what it seems.
No, I don’t have to try to get too far into anything and over-analyze and overreact, you are perfectly capable of doing these things on your own without my help LOL. Just keeping a focus on the basics is all that is necessary on this issue because as far as I am concerned, I addressed this same situation in my previous comment by stating that going off of what people claim, for me, is unreliable in comparison to what reality is showing CONSISTENTLY. So you writing up these lengthy comments trying to give me a good reason to believe that it was actually removing sugar that made you lose weight, as many have actually “claimed” aswell, still does not prove that removing sugar (as an ingredient) from food, makes people lose weight, again this is a perception so you are not going to be able to convince me that a perception is not a perception by just stating back to me everything that is commonly associated with the perception LOL.
Can you go just one debate without putting words into my mouth as a way to try and make it look as if you don’t know what YOU are talking about?. As the saying goes, if you are going to quote me at least quote me correctly 😁🤣🤣. I did not tell you that I know all about your sister or family and what you all have done or have not done, you are the one talking about your family 🤭🤭, I do not need to talk about your family or my family or my friends or your friends to know what the reality of sugar and its exaggerated association to weight gain actually is. I told you that my knowledge about sugar is not based on things that I myself created, it is based on what reality has shown me and I did not make reality, I just know about reality 💯😂😝😝.
Hahahaha you said what you said because you know better than to try to convince me of something you know that I won’t buy and that’s why you said it, which is obvious because it was I who told you where I stood on the issue and the burden of proof that is required that you know that you would not be able to satisfy with just trying to play “twister” and “storytelling” with me. Stop trying to throw your family under the bus (🤣🤣🤣), anybody can read my comments and see that my original points have nothing at all to do with you and your family. I just referred to your attempts to introduce claims made by your family or siblings, as “storytelling”, and spent the majority of my time actually explaining observations that I have made over the issue in other circumstances. This has nothing to do with anybody “lying” or anything of the sort. I mostly maintained that alot of what you said is stuff that I have heard already and it’s not really anything new to me and I had just reemphasized that such claims are not enough for me to be convinced that there is any relation to sugar and weight gain. Again trying to put words in my mouth does not help your case and will not work. My comment does not in any way shape or form have anything to do with your family and I even stated that I didn’t have to go to any of the extents that you were going in your remarks, to see that the relation between sugar and weight gain is nill!.
But that’s the thing, just because it’s your body, it does not mean you know how the human body actually works on a bio-logical, so I can only listen to what you are saying but, obviously, if you expect me to believe that removing added sugar or adding sugar to anything actually makes people fat, it obviously isn’t nearly enough to do so since I have hard people make these claims already.
Hahhaa oh sure!, it is not a debate now because all of a sudden you insist that because I don’t gullibly believe in your claims about sugar’s association with weight gain, a claim that I have heard a million times, it means that I am just painting every other point-of-view as some “fabrication” or “exaggeration” or “myth” or “makebelieve” or “delusion” — all words that ironically can EASILY sum up this unsubstantiated falsehood of sugar’s relation to weight gain if anyone wanted too since there is a tremendouns lack of proof. But remember, I am the one who called this a debate first, clearly indicating that I actually see this as an exchange of views and ideas, not necessarily that we would agree on everything, whereas you are insisting that it isn’t because there “is nothing to debate” because you are giving me “claims” about sugar’s association with weight gain and obesity that you think I should accept, that is clearly not working 😈😈🤣😝. Sugar’s mythological association with weight wasn’t so related to people’s weight gain and weight-loss in the 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s and early 2000s when they use to lose weight perfectly fine by doing things that actually worked,then, and all still work now like: diets and exercise and discipline. So I am not sure what makes sugar any more associated with weight gain now. I am not saying all of what you are accusing me of by trying to put words in my mouth about how you are “confused” etc, but I do remember saying that there is a difference between what people claim versus “consistent reality”, this has nothing to do with you only, so get over yourself suggesting that I am trying to tell you what you experienced LOL.
Hahaha don’t make me laugh; if you are going to convince me of which one of us is speaking “FACTS”, the best way to do it is not by just throwing around the word “facts” every few spaces between the nearest two texts, and instead, actually provide to me demonstrable and practical examples which is obviously very difficult to do overe the internet outside of something ike “drink water when you are thirsty to quenches your thirst” LOL. Again there is a difference between what 100 people that you know “experienced”, versus how it is “explained” about “why” 100 people that you know, experienced what they experienced. Just because 100 people that you know “experienced” something, it does not mean that the perception that you think or view, is what is in fact at the root of the outcome. So it is ridiculous for you to try to tell me that I “don’t believe” a word about what you or 100 people that you know “experienced” since I understand exactly the same very distinction that I just pointed-out and that I repeatedly made reference to in my initial comment by differentiating the difference between what a “claim” is versus what “happened”. I never said that I do not believe what 100 people that you know “experienced”, I said that I have heard similar “claims” already about the same issue and it is obviously not enough for me to establish that there is any actual relation between sugar and weight-gain. I am not saying and I have not actually said that they did not “experience” weight loss or did the things that they did which they “claimed” were “responsible” for the results that they had achieved.
First of all, don’t compare words and embarrass yourself because my original comment that you responded to, was only 222 words, and you felt so “triggered” that you came back with a 1360 word BOOK hahaha. So a 1,782-word response to a 1,384-word comment that was itself a reply to a comment that was only 222-words in the first place, is completely appropriate LOL.
My post woke up my sleeping beauty and now she has become a beast and will not go back to sleep until she gets 100% satisfaction 👍😂
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“People can say ANYTHING based off of perception”
precisely. You’re entire point is based off of your perception. Everyone else knowing what their body does seems to mean nothing. You know everything. Keep on keeping on.
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“there are many people who do not have access to much or any processed food or sugar at all and they still manage to gain weight, furthermore, weight gain existed throughout time and did not just come into existence because of sugar consumption “
I never said that sugar was the SOLE cause of weight gain. I said it is ONE reason for weight gain. Don’t twist what I say to prove a point that goes against what I’m saying. Use what I actually say.
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“saying that you lost weight because you stopped putting sugar in food because you cook food is very very weak “substantiation” of anything”
You’re right. Sorry, forgot you were a licensed Doctor for a second. And health guru. And sat in my kitchen and knew what was going on in our lives.
FYI: when I’m stressed I gain weight, not lose it. Everything for my entire adult life caused me to gain weight, including the death of my mother. Cutting sugar is the only thing I did differently and OOPS! I lost weight. But you’re right doctor…. Sorry, shouldn’t jump to “unsubstantiated” ideas without cross-checking it with your theories that are based solely on what you think in your head and not actual people’s reports.
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“when it is explained what actually happened, or it is investigated, “I removed sugar from my diet and lost weight” is usually not what it seems.”
Proof please. Not your words, I want actual scientific studies or ACTUAL reports of this. I would LOVE to see any report where five people in one house cut out only sugar – literally ONLY sugar – and not a single one lost weight and they all secretly and unknowingly went on a hunger strike and started running 20 times a day without noticing the difference in lifestyle as you seem to think this is based on.
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“going off of what people claim, for me, is unreliable in comparison to what reality is showing CONSISTENTLY”
PROVE your point please. I trust the people who report their own experience and not someone just saying something, twisting me words than saying they proved a point.
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“Can you go just one debate without putting words into my mouth”
Wow. I didn’t put words into your mouth. You are the one saying there is no causality. I gave you multiple examples of how there is. You twisted every single thing I said, telling me that what I know to be true is not true, my actual experience is obviously inaccurate, misinterpreted, and wrong because you don’t agree with something you never experienced. AGAIN, I have never, ONCE said that sugar is the only way one gains weight, so using people who don’t eat sugar as proof that sugar doesn’t cause weight gain is hokum. You are ignoring one, OF MANY things, that cause weight gain. I am merely saying that sugar DOES cause weight gain for some people – you are saying that it doesn’t cause weight gain for ANY people, which is nonsense. If you have no actual argument, just admit that you don’t. Telling me you do by twisting what I say and then trying to accuse me of putting words into your mouth is a cop out.
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“I just know about reality”
Yours, and yours alone. You are ignoring other people’s reality. Sugar affects my family a great deal, as does carbs which are also sugar. End of story.
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“Stop trying to throw your family under the bus”
I threw no one “under the bus.” What does that even mean in this context? Somehow I am miraculously talking smack on my family because they disprove your theory (despite others saying it as well)? Yep, solid argument.
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“observations that I have made over the issue”
Precisely. Your “observations” of a select number of people. Mine is not an observation. It is fact. I know what I cooked and what they cooked – we were all living together and eating together and cooking together.
A theory, based on observation, still has to undergo the scientific method. Yours stopped at hypothesis (step three in six). Therefore, not a valid argument to say that it is true based on an observation. Mine actually goes to six.
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“ it does not mean you know how the human body actually works on a bio-logical”
Actually, I do. I live in this body. I get this body checked. I get the blood work done for it. I understand what I’m looking at. I also understand the human body as I actually did make a study of it. So, assuming I don’t is also completely nonsensical. Worse, assuming that I don’t know but that you somehow know more about my body than I do is absolutely offensive as you didn’t ask my actual knowledge base. You just assumed that you know nearly everything and that I know next to nothing outside of what some doctor told me. I have probably argued down more doctors and have proven them wrong than you have even met.
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“ since there is a tremendouns lack of proof”
There is not. As you yourself have said several times in this comment alone: you have heard this statement many times. Hate to burst your bubble dear, but that is more proof than what you have provided. You have merely reiterated a bunch of times that YOU have not experienced weight gain associated with sugar and that you have “seen” cases of weight gain without sugar’s involvement. I have never once said that the only cause of weight gain/loss is due to sugar. I have merely maintained that it is absolutely and without a doubt one cause.
What you so readily acknowledge as proof against sugar and weight gain is equally an argument against your statement. You keep repeating that those who cut out sugar are simply missing other ingredients that they’ve cut out to lose the weight. Well, those same ingredients can CAUSE weight gain. So… your evidence is flimsy there too. People who may not eat a lot of sugar can consume those ingredients and gain weight, as I said, sugar is by far not the only culprit, and I never said that it was. Underlying health issues can also cause weight gain in people who do not consume large quantities of sugar. That does not mean there is no correlation to one simply because the other exists as well. Everyone who gains weight does not gain it solely because they have eaten one cookie in their life – I never said that. I simply said that sugar DOES affect weight for some people.
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“ 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s and early 2000s when they use to lose weight perfectly fine by doing things that actually worked,then, and all still work now like: diets and exercise and discipline “
What are you talking about? Every diet in the world makes you stop eating refined sugars. And it was in the nineties that the first really popular diet cutting carbs (ALSO a sugar) popped up.
You are talking about entire lifestyle changes. I am not. I am talking solely about sugar, which was your original argument… bringing exercise and discipline and diets and everything else doesn’t change the fact that sugar is a cause. There was only one diet that I know of that involved cutting out actual food and living only on cookies – and those cookies did not have sugar or carbs in them (and they tasted like cardboard and plastic fused together with cyanide).
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“there is a difference between what people claim versus “consistent reality”
I know. “Consistent reality” for a LOT of people is that there is a causal link between sugar and weight. You CLAIM that there’s not. Huge difference.
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“actually provide to me demonstrable and practical examples “
Uh… I did and you said I was throwing those examples under the bus.
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“Again there is a difference between what 100 people that you know “experienced”, versus how it is “explained” about “why” 100 people that you know, experienced what they experienced “
It was explained by doctors and scientists and our experiences. You just don’t agree. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t explained.
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“ I am not saying and I have not actually said that they did not “experience” weight loss or did the things that they did which they “claimed” were “responsible” for the results that they had achieved. “
I never said you said that they didn’t gain/lose weight. Nice try though. I said that you are saying that HOW they lost/gained the weight is wrong and they just simply don’t know what they’ve done to have those results (but you do), which is EXACTLY what you’ve been saying.
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[YOU]: precisely. You’re entire point is based off of your perception. Everyone else knowing what their body does seems to mean nothing. You know everything. Keep on keeping on.
[ME]: No it is not a “perception” when I say that sugar has no association with weight gain. You have not reduced weight just because of removing sugar, as an ingredient, from your diet. I am not fooled by your long storytelling because I know that it just does not work. It has nothing to do with “perception”, it is a reality that just removing sugar from food does not result in weight gain.
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[YOU]: I never said that sugar was the SOLE cause of weight gain. I said it is ONE reason for weight gain. Don’t twist what I say to prove a point that goes against what I’m saying. Use what I actually say.
[ME] Exactly, sugar solely being the cause of weight gain is not what you specified but it does not take a rocket scientist to know that if we are talking about a discussion based on “sugar’s association to weight gain”, unless you introduce other “possibilities”, no one will assume that you think that there are other “possibilities; It is up to you to make that call. regardless of if you made that case or not, there are examples of people with no access to overly-processed foods or sugar, who gained weight which shows that weight gain in general most likely has nothing at all to do with sugar.
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[YOU]: You’re right. Sorry, forgot you were a licensed Doctor for a second. And health guru. And sat in my kitchen and knew what was going on in our lives.
[ME]: The fact that alot of this misleading information is coming from sources that profess to be “licensed Doctors” and medical experts on this issue, would make me actually ashamed to be any of the above hahaha.
[YOU]: FYI: when I’m stressed I gain weight, not lose it. Everything for my entire adult life caused me to gain weight, including the death of my mother. Cutting sugar is the only thing I did differently and OOPS! I lost weight. But you’re right doctor…. Sorry, shouldn’t jump to “unsubstantiated” ideas without cross-checking it with your theories that are based solely on what you think in your head and not actual people’s reports.
[ME]: I just used “stress” as an example because many people have claimed that their weight was affected by the fact that they had been very stressed, so I used that as an example to show that there could be other causes outside of the “removal of sugar” that can result in someone’s weight being affected. You claimed that it makes you gain weight, which could be the case and not “sugar”; it could also be the case with other people who say that it made them lose weight, not “sugar”.
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[YOU]: Proof please. Not your words, I want actual scientific studies or ACTUAL reports of this. I would LOVE to see any report where five people in one house cut out only sugar – literally ONLY sugar – and not a single one lost weight and they all secretly and unknowingly went on a hunger strike and started running 20 times a day without noticing the difference in lifestyle as you seem to think this is based on.
[ME]: I already gave you the proof, just remove sugar (as an ingredient) from your cakes and donuts and cookies but still eat those same exact cakes and donuts and cookies, without the sugar, in the same exact amounts and quantities and you will see for yourself that you will not lose weight. Nobody likes to eat cookies and cakes and donuts without some kind of sweetened ingredients so the chances that anyone actually attempted this, is very unlikely.
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[YOU] PROVE your point please. I trust the people who report their own experience and not someone just saying something, twisting me words than saying they proved a point.
[ME]: Hahaha Marla the only thing you are doing is making me smile and laugh, your interrogation here is adorable, please stop 😂☺️☺️. Again this is not about me, I do not gain weight because of “sugar” or because food is “junk”. I have stated numerous times that it is a well-established fact and reality that there is a high association between high food consumption and weight gain and a very strong association between weight loss and moderate/low-calorie diets with emphasis on “healthy eating” and balanced nutrition. This is not something that I have to “prove”, it has been proven many times. This thing about removing sugar as an “ingredient” from food is a relatively new and nonsensical assumption that actually has not been “proven” which actually makes it just a nonsensical assumption.
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[YOU]: Wow. I didn’t put words into your mouth. You are the one saying there is no causality. I gave you multiple examples of how there is. You twisted every single thing I said, telling me that what I know to be true is not true, my actual experience is obviously inaccurate, misinterpreted, and wrong because you don’t agree with something you never experienced. AGAIN, I have never, ONCE said that sugar is the only way one gains weight, so using people who don’t eat sugar as proof that sugar doesn’t cause weight gain is hokum. You are ignoring one, OF MANY things, that cause weight gain. I am merely saying that sugar DOES cause weight gain for some people – you are saying that it doesn’t cause weight gain for ANY people, which is nonsense. If you have no actual argument, just admit that you don’t. Telling me you do by twisting what I say and then trying to accuse me of putting words into your mouth is a cop out.
[ME]: I might have said that there is no causality but I did not say:
““well, you don’t agree with me so obviously you say ‘cutting out sugar’ but you’re confused and actually mean ‘going on a starvation diet until skinny’ because that’s what I say you mean” — LOL.
[ME]: It just makes it seem like you took what I said out of context 😂😂. Yes, you gave me multiple examples in the form of worded text, but I am saying to you that I have not seen any formal demonstration in real life where a group of people is monitored constantly over being given things to eat with no sugar added to these very things that commonly have alot of sugar in them, to see if they will lose weight by eating these consumables that have no sugar in them, in the typical amounts that these same people would typically eat them in. That has actually not been done. I did not “twist’ everything or anything you said, show me one example where I quoted you or paraphrased something you said that comes anywhere close to what you actually did which was to suggest that I was “thinking” something like the following:
[““well, you don’t agree with me so obviously you say ‘cutting out sugar’ but you’re confused and actually mean ‘going on a starvation diet until skinny’ because that’s what I say you mean”]
[ME]: You will definitely not find anything like the above quote coming from me since I do not have to resort to such mock fabrications to prove my case LOL.
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[YOU] Yours, and yours alone. You are ignoring other people’s reality. Sugar affects my family a great deal, as does carbs which are also sugar. End of story.
[ME]: I do not mean to make it seem as though I am “ignoring other people’s reality”. As I said, there is only so far I can get with hearing or reading about other people’s experiences. Sugar’s association with weight gain still has not been officially proven and is just mainly “framed” as if there is a connection. Also, it cannot be the end of “story” when I am not story-telling 👌😈😈🤭😂
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[YOU] I threw no one “under the bus.” What does that even mean in this context? Somehow I am miraculously talking smack on my family because they disprove your theory (despite others saying it as well)? Yep, solid argument.
[ME]: haahahaa that basically meant that they have become a casualty of your own doing, not mine, since I did not say much about your family at all. All YOU are doing is using every opportunity to say that you know someone who lost weight by removing sugar from their diet, leading me to say to you that “storytelling” isn’t nearly enough to show “sugar’s” association with weight gain LOL.
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[YOU] Precisely. Your “observations” of a select number of people. Mine is not an observation. It is fact. I know what I cooked and what they cooked – we were all living together and eating together and cooking together.
[ME]: Nope it is not just my “personal” observation or personal reality” that millions of people actually lost weight and become “fit” and “healthy” by changing their diets to reduce high food consumption and include balance by adding more nutritional elements while exercising and drinking more water etc. Like I always tell you, I didn’t make reality; reality is just reality.
[YOU]: A theory, based on observation, still has to undergo the scientific method. Yours stopped at hypothesis (step three in six). Therefore, not a valid argument to say that it is true based on an observation. Mine actually goes to six.
[ME]: It is not my “theory” that lower food consumption, nutritious dieting, and exercise have an effective impact on weight reduction, this is common knowledge — it does not belong to me; that is a proven method that makes people lose alot of weight effectively. I have yet to see the removal of “sugar” and only the removal of sugar come anywhere close to having the same practical results because that’s not how it works.
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[YOU]: Actually, I do. I live in this body. I get this body checked. I get the blood work done for it. I understand what I’m looking at. I also understand the human body as I actually did make a study of it. So, assuming I don’t is also completely nonsensical. Worse, assuming that I don’t know but that you somehow know more about my body than I do is absolutely offensive as you didn’t ask my actual knowledge base. You just assumed that you know nearly everything and that I know next to nothing outside of what some doctor told me. I have probably argued down more doctors and have proven them wrong than you have even met.
[ME]: “You live in your body” is not a good “bio-logical” way of determining anything. Scientists don’t just know things about a body on a bio-logical level because they live in one, they examine and experiment, do trials, and so on. That’s how they “discover” things; they don’t just discover and learn things because they have a body. Also lets clear-up the fact that I don’t need to know what you claim to know in order for me to know that these “studies” and “reports” about sugar being associated with weight gain, are unsubstantiated claims. So even if you are convinced that you know what you are talking about, I still know that these studies are foolishness and cannot believe, based on these rubbish studies, that there is a link and association between sugar and weight gain. So I am not worried about you and what you are telling me and others and what they are saying in text and verbal communications. The fact still is, that these studies have done a poor job in “proving” that there is a link between sugar and weight gain. There actually is none.
[YOU]: There is not. As you yourself have said several times in this comment alone: you have heard this statement many times. Hate to burst your bubble dear, but that is more proof than what you have provided. You have merely reiterated a bunch of times that YOU have not experienced weight gain associated with sugar and that you have “seen” cases of weight gain without sugar’s involvement. I have never once said that the only cause of weight gain/loss is due to sugar. I have merely maintained that it is absolutely and without a doubt one cause.
[ME]: Hahahaha please stop being comical, you cannot provide more proof to me about sugar’s association with wight, than the abundance of knowledge and proof of people going to the gym and working-out and cutting back on their diets and eating more balanced and healthy meals and achieving undeniable weight loss as a result. This is “proof” that has been out there for decades. This rubbish about sugar being associated and “linked” with weight gain does not even come close to proving anything compared to the old-fashioned way of doing things as far as a weight loss and healthy eating and good old exercise or physical activity and discipline, have shown. So don’t even think about it. I don’t need to go out of my way to prove anything since the proof is already there and has been way before this falsehood about sugar is associated with weight came along, and guess what??, dieting and exercise STILL ACTUALLY WORKS EFFECTIVELY TO REDUCE WEIGHT. “removing” sugar from food does not.
[YOU]: What you so readily acknowledge as proof against sugar and weight gain is equally an argument against your statement. You keep repeating that those who cut out sugar are simply missing other ingredients that they’ve cut out to lose the weight. Well, those same ingredients can CAUSE weight gain. So… your evidence is flimsy there too. People who may not eat a lot of sugar can consume those ingredients and gain weight, as I said, sugar is by far not the only culprit, and I never said that it was. Underlying health issues can also cause weight gain in people who do not consume large quantities of sugar. That does not mean there is no correlation to one simply because the other exists as well. Everyone who gains weight does not gain it solely because they have eaten one cookie in their life – I never said that. I simply said that sugar DOES affect weight for some people.
[ME]: No I did not disprove my own point, this is just another example of you taking what I said out of context. I actually pointed out that they are failing to take into account that they are not just cutting out “sugar”, they are cutting out entire groups of food that contain alot *more than just sugar. The keyword here is “more” and the point of the comment, that you are taking out of context, is that not just sugar was “removed”. So to say that they only removed sugar from their diet, is misleading. They did not just remove “sugar”, they actually removed alot of high-calorie foods which resulted in them inadvertently losing weight because they consumed less food and included different kinds of healthier food, than they normally would eat, as a result. So what I said is still what I said. Again, you are not telling me anything new; I already said that people do not lose weight just by removing sugar from their diet, so there is no point in telling me that “they can still gain weight from those other ingredients”. I have already stated that there is a “high association”, and direct link between “high food consumption” and weight gain.
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[YOU] What are you talking about? Every diet in the world makes you stop eating refined sugars. And it was in the nineties that the first really popular diet cutting carbs (ALSO a sugar) popped up.
[ME]: No every diet that exists does not exclude “refined” sugars because people can go on whatever kind of diet they want. They can go on a “low-fat diet”, they can go on a “no dairy diet”, they can go on a “high calcium diet”, some people can go on a diet high is iron — so it depends on who is recommending the “diet” and what the goal of the diet is.
[YOU]: You are talking about entire lifestyle changes. I am not. I am talking solely about sugar, which was your original argument… bringing exercise and discipline and diets and everything else doesn’t change the fact that sugar is a cause. There was only one diet that I know of that involved cutting out actual food and living only on cookies – and those cookies did not have sugar or carbs in them (and they tasted like cardboard and plastic fused together with cyanide).
[ME]: Yes it changes the “fact” that sugar is the cause because unlike “sugar is the cause”, they have actually been proven non-stop to be effective in weight reduction. So lifestyle changes and choices have actually been shown to have directly affected the weight of people in an effective and tangible manner, unlike this dogma that claims that sugar has any association with weight gain and how “removing” sugar from diet is a realistic way to improve weight, compared to what has actually been seen and shown and proven by good dieting, exercise and the discipline to not over-eat, this entire thing about “removing sugar to reduce weight” looks like a myth that has never been actually proven to work.
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[YOU]: I know. “Consistent reality” for a LOT of people is that there is a causal link between sugar and weight. You CLAIM that there’s not. Huge difference.
[ME]: hahaha “casual” link????. I don’t know about you but I don’t do “casual links”. To me, there is either a direct cause and effect or there isn’t, and so far, there is a direct link between high food consumption and weight gain, which is not the same I can say for sugar and weight issues. So please reevaluate your so-called “your reality”.
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[YOU]: Uh… I did and you said I was throwing those examples under the bus.
[ME]: Lol you can’t use them as examples within this circumstance. I already gave you an example of what I am really looking for when I suggested that something like “drink water when you are thirsty to quench your thirst” would be a demonstrable and practical substantiating exercise, which is reality for everybody because water does have an effect on thirst for everybody. Exercising and low food consumption does have an effect on weight for everybody.
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[YOU] : It was explained by doctors and scientists and our experiences. You just don’t agree. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t explained.
[ME]:: Hahaha doctors and scientists don’t all agree on everything so not even that is that reliable of an “explanation”, and again “explanations” is the faulty factor here because it is not “proof”.
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[YOU]: I never said you said that they didn’t gain/lose weight. Nice try though. I said that you are saying that HOW they lost/gained the weight is wrong and they just simply don’t know what they’ve done to have those results (but you do), which is EXACTLY what you’ve been saying.
[ME]: I am not “trying’ anything. I am certainly not “trying” to say “what you truly meant” by saying stuff like this:
“well, you don’t agree with me so obviously you say ‘cutting out sugar’ but you’re confused and actually mean ‘going on a starvation diet until skinny’ because that’s what I say you mean”
[ME]: 🤣🤣 you were consistently saying:
“Seriously, I don’t know why you think you know what I have done, or what my sister has done”
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“but clearly you think that you do”
[ME]: see, you were saying all along that I “think” I know what you and your sister have “done” (“done” meaning whether you all actually lost weight or not), nothing once came up in any of these statements that you made (which I quoted) showing that you acknowledged that I *didn’t think that “they didn’t gain/lose weight or have not done so”. So which one is it? was it about how I “think” that I know what you all have “done” therefore I “think” that you all had *not lost weight, or is it your second version of events where you now claim that it’s about me “saying” (not “thinking”) that “how” they lost weight was “wrong”?
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Honestly, you can continue to believe what you want to believe.
The question you originally posed was whether weight gain/loss is caused by sugar. The answer is YES, for some people.
The other inherent question posed was whether sugar has a direct correlation to weight gain or loss. The answer is YES.
Neither one of them is a no. Neither one of those accounts for the other reasons one can gain and lose weight. However, by singling that one out wth no evidence is fruitless when there IS evidence, you just don’t want to hear it.
You were the first one to bring up other types of food being the culprit, not me. I did not in ANY way say that other foods or health issues do not have a part to play in a good portion of the situations. I merely said that there IS a link between sugar and weight.
Again using cancer – by no means are cigarettes thee only cause for cancer. Some people can get it for seemingly no reason at all. That doesn’t mean that cigarettes aren’t also a cause. Sugar is ALSO a cause of weight related issues. Not the only one, just one.
Assuming that people who have had the results that I speak of are not accurate in their statements is not fair. But you will continue to believe what you want to believe.
I have to go o work and do not have the time for a lengthly debate about this.
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Honestly, you can continue to believe what you want to believe.
*** I can only believe what reality consistently actually shows and proves, so yes, I will continue to do this 👏😆. Like I said, I did not make reality, it is just what it is.
The question you originally posed was whether weight gain/loss is caused by sugar. The answer is YES, for some people.
*** I am not just looking for “answers”, anybody can give me an “answer”. I wasn’t actually looking to get “answers” on WordPress — I am not looking for “answers” on a subject like this; I need RESULTS not just answers. So yes, I know that the “answer” for “some” is “YES”, but it’s still not RESULTS for me.
The other inherent question posed was whether sugar has a direct correlation to weight gain or loss. The answer is YES.
*** the answer is yes but I still have yet to see the substantiating results for realistic confirmation outside of these accounts. There is a very close relation between “answers” and “opinions”.
Neither one of them is a no. Neither one of those accounts for the other reasons one can gain and lose weight. However, by singling that one out with no evidence is fruitless when there IS evidence, you just don’t want to hear it.
*** “Neither one” is just a real “cop-out”, which is ironic since you accused me of a “cop-out” 🤣🤣🤣. The problem is that it is “provided” as “evidence” but “evidence” is not necessarily “proof”.
You were the first one to bring up other types of food being the culprit, not me. I did not in ANY way say that other foods or health issues do not have a part to play in a good portion of the situations. I merely said that there IS a link between sugar and weight.
*** First of all. I am not trying to accuse you of anything that you actually didn’t say etc, that’s not my style and if you think I did, that is and was never the intention. That being said, my mind is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from being changed because the standard of proof here is pretty high and is not something I expected to see results of on WordPress LOL. But ofcourse you are a mad woman and decided to challenge me regardless 🤣🤭💕💕
Again using cancer – by no means are cigarettes thee only cause for cancer. Some people can get it for seemingly no reason at all. That doesn’t mean that cigarettes aren’t also a cause. Sugar is ALSO a cause of weight related issues. Not the only one, just one.
*** Yes that is a fair point but not every issue is “cancer” and not every medical issue does not have a clear cause and effect, and when it comes to weight gain, one of the top causes is food consumption and when it comes to losing weight, one of the top causes is food consumption — it can’t be a coincidence!.
Assuming that people who have had the results that I speak of are not accurate in their statements is not fair. But you will continue to believe what you want to believe.
*** Again I cannot get too much into personal accounts, it is not within my interest to say that people’s personal accounts are incorrect. I just know of examples where people (some actual celebrities) said that they removed sugar from their diets and when they elaborated on what they actually meant, they went on to list a whole variety of different types of food that are usually sweet and have lots of calories (cakes/pastries, icre creams, chocolates, fast foods, etc) that they actually eliminated, so they obviously did not just remove “sugar” from anything. It was obviously the effects of a smaller limited access to food types and the change of diet that would lead to them losing alot of weight over a sustained period if they considered themselves to be “dieting”.
I have to go o work and do not have the time for a lengthy debate about this.
*** You are always welcomed here no matter what; I wish you the best in your day and please travel safely. I am happy to see your thoughts even though they are different from mines. This is not about you personally even though you decided to just throw yourself into a discussion about this issue with me and it turned into what I dubbed a “brutal debate” 🤣🤣. You should know form the get-go that it’s not going to be a walk in the park to convince me of certain things and, respectably, vice-versa lol
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Lest you misinterpret me having to go to work as an admission of defeat, I shall go into more detail with my argument, although there really is no point, as this is a cyclical conversation and has lost my attention.
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“No it is not a “perception” when I say that sugar has no association with weight gain. You have not reduced weight just because of removing sugar, as an ingredient, from your diet. I am not fooled by your long storytelling because I know that it just does not work. It has nothing to do with “perception”, it is a reality that just removing sugar from food does not result in weight gain “
WOW! For once, we agree! Removing sugar from food does NOT result in weight gain!
But on point, your reiteration of the same argument over and over again, despite multiple people telling you otherwise, simply means you are unwilling to listen. I know the dietary changes that I made, I know the specific ingredients, and I know the lifestyle that I lived and any changes therein. All you are reiterating are perceptions of what you believe I could mean as it does not agree with your other perceptions. No long story telling – no reason to. I know what I actually did, and I have no need, or desire, to reiterate it over-and-over again when you refuse to hear it. So, you believe what you want; I know what I know.
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“there are examples of people with no access to overly-processed foods or sugar, who gained weight which shows that weight gain in general most likely has nothing at all to do with sugar “
The entire paragraph that this is referring to is EXACTLY what I said. You have been the one relying on “other possibilities” from the start. I was speaking solely from the sugar perspective as that was the original statement. Sugar and weight changes have a very strong connection, although it is not the only connection.
Whether someone has access to sugar or processed foods and gains weight doesn’t matter. That’s not the point. The point is that people that do eat sugar DO gain weight. There is as much a correlation between sugar and weight as there is between carbs and weight. Oh, yeah… wait… carbs are sugar, so I guess I can’t use them – despite that being the number one thing all diets tell you to cut out…. Hmmm.
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“The fact that alot of this misleading information is coming from sources that profess to be “licensed Doctors” and medical experts on this issue, would make me actually ashamed to be any of the above ”
Right. Totally embarrassing to base your opinion on facts and data accumulated over years. Silly doctors and medical professionals….
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For your stress statements…. I can’t.
The point I was making is that I gain weight when stressed. This last year has been extremely stressful for me – the worst stress of my life, and I lost so much weight it was terrifying. I have gained some weight back recently – I have been eating the same as I have been (quantity and quality – and I KNOW this, I live alone and only worry about what I eat), but I’m gaining weight back. I have increased my sugar intake very minimally. I am eating an extra half-dozen M&Ms a night, and I’ve started taking in more carbs. Eating the same thing as I always have, like down to a T. I used to eat one slice of carb-free bread toasted, now I do one slice with carbs (it was on sale). That’s actually the only changes I’ve made. I’m putting some weight back on.
Don’t bother arguing with me on this part. It’s not to be debated or argued. Those are the facts, that is the outcome, and I wanted to make sure that I was clearer regarding this part from my previous comment. That was the only purpose of this
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“I already gave you the proof, just remove sugar (as an ingredient) from your cakes and donuts and cookies but still eat those same exact cakes and donuts and cookies, without the sugar, in the same exact amounts and quantities and you will see for yourself that you will not lose weight. “
I need you to PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO ME. That is not proof of anything because YOU ARE ACTUALLY WRONG. If you read ANY of what I had written, you would understand that I legitimately made everything by hand. Homemade cookies, cakes, and pies (I don’ like donuts enough to learn how to make them).
When I say this, I do not mean that I go to the store and buy some prepackaged stuff, I mean I make it by hand. THE ONLY INGREDIENT I CHANGED was the sugar. I didn’t add it. Yes, it wasn’t as sweet, but you can cope, and cope we did. I baked two or three things a day and we ate all of it.
So read what I write before telling me what I said was inaccurate when I literally already covered this a comment ago – and the one before.
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Actually, no…. You DO have to prove some of what you say. Just because you type it doesn’t make it true. I am giving real life examples, and SCIENCE backs me up. You have some thought in your head…. And that’s it. You also are the one that said this proof is out there, so provide it. That’s kind of how this should work. Especially since it has NEVER been proven that there is no correlation between sugar and weight gain. You can throw all the mud you want in an attempt to muddy the waters. No one is saying that only sugar consumption causes these issues. You’re the one saying it unequivocally does not. You are the one saying that there’s mountains of evidence to support your theory. Well, go find the mountains and PROVE IT.
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“I have not seen any formal demonstration in real life where a group of people is monitored constantly over being given things to eat with no sugar added to these very things that commonly have alot of sugar in them, to see if they will lose weight by eating these consumables that have no sugar in them”
You not seeing it doesn’t mean it has not happened. I gave you this EXACT information, and you accused me of throwing people under the bus. So when presented with the actual evidence you are requesting, you throw it out because it’s not good enough, despite being EXACTLY what you are requesting here. In real life, 5 people lived together and went on the exact same diet. They were trapped in a house during COVID, so everything anyone did, we all knew about. We prepared every meal together and I knew every ingredient. I simply cut the sugar out of what I was making. We all did. Pancakes are still pancakes even without the sugar. Pie can be made exactly the same, just removing the sugar. That is literally ALL THAT WE DID. Five people lost weight.
But I’m sure that somehow that is a response that you will ignore as it goes against your theory, despite it being precisely what you asked me to provide.
I ask for proof of what you say and even clearly define what counts as proof. You tell me it’s laughable that I’m asking for it and provide none. You ask for proof and clearly define what counts as proof to you, I have already supplied it multiple times and am doing it again, but somehow, it won’t count.
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I exaggerated it to make it sound insane when I said that you said anything about a starvation diet. What you DID say was that it obviously wasn’t just the sugar, there are other ingredients and lifestyle changes and …. blah blah blah.
I told you that none of that happened. You maintained that it had to have happened. I tell you again, it didn’t.
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“ they have become a casualty of your own doing, not mine, since I did not say much about your family at all. All YOU are doing is using every opportunity to say that you know someone who lost weight by removing sugar from their diet”
Fine. No one else, and no story telling. I LIVED THROUGH THIS AND I KNOW THE REALITY OF IT, IN MY OWN BODY. Ok? Clear enough?
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‘ Nope it is not just my “personal” observation or personal reality” that millions of people actually lost weight and become “fit” and “healthy” by changing their diets to reduce high food consumption and include balance by adding more nutritional elements while exercising and drinking more water etc.”
Again, this was NOT the original point to your post. I never said those things don’t ALSO affect weight, I’m saying that sugar alone can as well.
And before you start trying to tell me that dieting works and all that, none of that was the original point that you started the argument about. You were saying, quite strongly, that sugar does not affect ones weight. That is the theory that one must put to the scientific method. That is the one that needs to be proven, not some nonsense about dieting which had nothing to do with this in the first place and only entered the picture after I said that I know for a fact what sugar does to my body.
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“ I have yet to see the removal of “sugar” and only the removal of sugar come anywhere close to having the same practical results because that’s not how it works. “
I don’t diet or exercise. It’s against my religion. I did not suddenly start doing either – I simply cut sugar. Is that practical enough for you?
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““You live in your body” is not a good “bio-logical” way of determining anything. Scientists don’t just know things about a body on a bio-logical level because they live in one, they examine and experiment, do trials, and so on. That’s how they “discover” things; they don’t just discover and learn things because they have a body. “
Interesting attempt at ignoring ¾ of that statement.
I never claimed that by owning a body I knew everything. I never claimed to know everything period. What I said is that I have this body and I put it through all of the tests and request more because I want to know everything there is to know. Not only my experience of living in this body, but what it is doing on a chemical level. I want a cellular level study done whenever I go to the doctor. I have discovered many things about the human body with this method, and I know it to such an extent that I was able to argue down specialists because I knew there were other ways. So please, stop trying to minimize what I do know by ingnoring my entire statement and only pulling one portion out to try to make me sound like I know everything by sheer ability to breathe in a humanoid form. It’s beneath you to act that way.
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“me to know that these “studies” and “reports” about sugar being associated with weight gain, are unsubstantiated claims “
OH! So the studies you claim to want don’t actually PROVE anything? Interesting how that works…
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Actually, no. I’ve now reached my limit. You’re basically saying that all scientific research into this is hearsay and “unsubstantiated” sheerly because you don’t believe them. With the country I live in and the atmosphere of said country, this is just one more way for people to scream “fake news” because it reports something that they don’t agree with. Doesn’t make the news fake, or the science that you’re claiming is “unsubstantiated,” it just means you can’t comprehend that ACTUAL reality might differ from what’s in your head.
So enjoy living in your reality. You’re clearly the king of it, I have no desire to spend time there – I prefer my news and my science based on facts.
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In the end, it won’t matter what I say, or what is actually true. You will believe what you want to believe. I will continue to know what works for me and my family. So, that’s really all that matters to me. I don’t have the energy to waste on someone who reads what I’ve written, twists it, then demands that the only evidence they will accept is what I’ve already said. It’s repetitive, cyclical and goes no where. I am going to finish my paperwork from yesterday. Have a good night!
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[YOU]: Lest you misinterpret me having to go to work as an admission of defeat, I shall go into more detail with my argument, although there really is no point, as this is a cyclical conversation and has lost my attention.
[ME]: LOL Your attention, or lack of, over whatever is your problem, not mine. I am not bothered in the slightest because you think you have something to prove. You are not the only person I have talked to or have dealt with that had something to prove although when it comes to you I am a bit more “sensitive” 👍😂☺️. Just be prepared for a very effective response if you so decide that you have a point to prove 👌😂😁
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] “No it is not a “perception” when I say that sugar has no association with weight gain. You have not reduced weight just because of removing sugar, as an ingredient, from your diet. I am not fooled by your long storytelling because I know that it just does not work. It has nothing to do with “perception”, it is a reality that just removing sugar from food does not result in weight gain “ [QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: WOW! For once, we agree! Removing sugar from food does NOT result in weight gain!
[ME]: that’s a minor typo but it’s still correct because, yes, removing sugar does not result in weight gain, but this could also mean that it has no/zero effect on weight equivalent how I stated early in that very same quote that “you have not reduced weight just because of removing sugar”, so the point is and has always been that sugar has no effect on weight 😂.
[YOU]: But on point, your reiteration of the same argument over and over again, despite multiple people telling you otherwise, simply means you are unwilling to listen. I know the dietary changes that I made, I know the specific ingredients, and I know the lifestyle that I lived and any changes therein. All you are reiterating are perceptions of what you believe I could mean as it does not agree with your other perceptions. No long story telling – no reason to. I know what I actually did, and I have no need, or desire, to reiterate it over-and-over again when you refuse to hear it. So, you believe what you want; I know what I know.
[ME]: In the case of being presented with the same “my reality” speech over and over again, I think it is more than appropriate to also reinforce my position over and over again as it is not a waste of energy on something that doesn’t deserve a whole lot of time and energy. “Multiple people telling me otherwise” in this case just amounts to you telling me multiple different stories from many people in a comment on WordPress as “answers” without one actual result actually proving or substantiating anything. Me “listening” does not mean that I won’t have my own “response” that I also think that you need to “listen” to. Again what I “believe” is based on what I have seen which in itself is based and rooted in reality, it’s not just based off of what “multiple people” have spewed, so I can afford to “believe” what I actually see in reality since that is how you really learn fact-form-fiction hahaha. Telling me about “multiple people” saying stuff is weak because there are also multiple people who are saying otherwise and do not believe in this whole sugar and weight gain “link”. So what makes your “multiple people” any more valid than those other “multiple people” who do not share the same view?. please give me a good reason other than “I know them” 🤭🤣
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] “there are examples of people with no access to overly-processed foods or sugar, who gained weight which shows that weight gain in general most likely has nothing at all to do with sugar “ [QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: The entire paragraph that this is referring to is EXACTLY what I said. You have been the one relying on “other possibilities” from the start. I was speaking solely from the sugar perspective as that was the original statement. Sugar and weight changes have a very strong connection, although it is not the only connection.
[ME]: I often quote “exactly what you said” by actually quoting exactly what you said, you only say to me “that’s exactly what you said” after I have shown you that “exactly what you actually said”, which I can “quote” and do “quote”, is either contradictory or not as good of a critique-proof point as you think that you are making, so you try to explain it away much like the manner in which you are attempting with this comment. Sugar and weight changes have no “strong connection” if it has not been proven to actually have, which it has not. It only has a “strong” connection with “diabetes”, diabetes is not weight gain even though a considerable amount of people who have diabetes also have weight gain but it does not mean that diabetes as a result of sugar leads to weight gain.
[YOU]: Whether someone has access to sugar or processed foods and gains weight doesn’t matter. That’s not the point. The point is that people that do eat sugar DO gain weight. There is as much a correlation between sugar and weight as there is between carbs and weight. Oh, yeah… wait… carbs are sugar, so I guess I can’t use them – despite that being the number one thing all diets tell you to cut out…. Hmmm.
[ME]: Yes that point that I made does do matter alot because it puts things into perspective, it is actually showing how sugar is not at all anything to do with weight gain and has more to do with food and the consumption of food because alot of these people hardly even drink anything besides water, so people can’t blame it on the “drinks” or “fast food”; it has to obviously be the consumption of food in general. No you are actually making a strong case for “calories” — whether we are talking about carbs, or fat or protein, they are all made up of calories and if consumed in fairly high degrees, you will also gain weight in fairly high degree — DUH 🤣🤣🤣
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] “The fact that alot of this misleading information is coming from sources that profess to be “licensed Doctors” and medical experts on this issue, would make me actually ashamed to be any of the above ” [QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: Right. Totally embarrassing to base your opinion on facts and data accumulated over years. Silly doctors and medical professionals….
[ME]: Just because they are “doctors” and “professionals” doesn’t mean they are not prone to stupidity; there have been many doctors and scientists involved in malpractice throughout history or whose conclusions about certain things have been proven wrong overtime. There are different “individual” doctors and different “individual” professionals that can give the entire profession a bad look.
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[YOU]: For your stress statements…. I can’t.
[me]: What you “can’t” I “can”, so you aer definitely speaking for yourself pal hahaha
[YOU]: The point I was making is that I gain weight when stressed. This last year has been extremely stressful for me – the worst stress of my life, and I lost so much weight it was terrifying. I have gained some weight back recently – I have been eating the same as I have been (quantity and quality – and I KNOW this, I live alone and only worry about what I eat), but I’m gaining weight back. I have increased my sugar intake very minimally. I am eating an extra half-dozen M&Ms a night, and I’ve started taking in more carbs. Eating the same thing as I always have, like down to a T. I used to eat one slice of carb-free bread toasted, now I do one slice with carbs (it was on sale). That’s actually the only changes I’ve made. I’m putting some weight back on.
[ME]: I know that is the point that you were making and others also believe that the exact opposite happens in their case. Again you saying what you believe it is the cause of your weight gain regardless of if you try to tell me about it 1000 times, does not actually show via the direct result of an outcome related to an action/behavior or a series of actions and behaviors revolving around things done in a particular manner, that has been observed through real-time, that sugar “intake” actually causes people to gain weight. I have said in my original post that I have yet to see this actually being proven and all you are doing is telling me about your personal experience which still obviously does not show or prove a thing. No matter how much times i “listen”, it gives me no reason to “accept” what you are saying as “proof” of anything. All of these “studies” and so on are all “saying” stuff aswell but it is not really “proof”. So making this about you, as much as I adore you and care deeply about your opinions and concerns, is not enough to make officially say that sugar does cause weight gain.
[YOU]: Don’t bother arguing with me on this part. It’s not to be debated or argued. Those are the facts, that is the outcome, and I wanted to make sure that I was clearer regarding this part from my previous comment. That was the only purpose of this
[ME]: Again, it’s not about you personally lol, so I don’t have to argue with you about your own personal experiences. I respect your personal experiences but I cannot use them to show or prove anything under this circumstance. So yes MAM!, I am not arguing whether this happened or not to you personally👍☺️😁. But “overall” I still have to go with what reality is consistently proving.
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] “I already gave you the proof, just remove sugar (as an ingredient) from your cakes and donuts and cookies but still eat those same exact cakes and donuts and cookies, without the sugar, in the same exact amounts and quantities and you will see for yourself that you will not lose weight.“ [QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: I need you to PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO ME. That is not proof of anything because YOU ARE ACTUALLY WRONG. If you read ANY of what I had written, you would understand that I legitimately made everything by hand. Homemade cookies, cakes, and pies (I don’ like donuts enough to learn how to make them).
[ME]: Hahahahaa yes MAM 🤭🤭🤣🤣. Yes I know that you have “told” me all about how you make your own food and things of that nature and I also know that there have been alot of studies where people have told things to “surveys” that are then used to give people information about “findings” based on weight issues and eating habits and this is exactly what the problem is because anybody can say and “told’ anything without actually knowing fully what’s at play. So I can not intern fall victim to the same thing.
[YOU]: When I say this, I do not mean that I go to the store and buy some prepackaged stuff, I mean I make it by hand. THE ONLY INGREDIENT I CHANGED was the sugar. I didn’t add it. Yes, it wasn’t as sweet, but you can cope, and cope we did. I baked two or three things a day and we ate all of it.
[ME]: I know what you are saying and I cannot doubt what you are saying and have no reason to want to. I can only just “listen” and “keep these things in mind” at best. It is interesting, to say the least, but there is just too many dynamics that a person lives with in real life for me to just say “oh yes it is the sugar” just based on what you are sharing with me.
[YOU]: So read what I write before telling me what I said was inaccurate when I literally already covered this a comment ago – and the one before.
[ME]: You are making it about you which I have also emphasized in my previous reply that it isn’t. It is up to you to not feel that my comments are just about you when they are not. The reality is that, overall, I am hearing alot of stuff but I am not seeing results conclusive enough to match what I am hearing, and again this is within the context of “overall”, not on a personal level.
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[YOU]: Actually, no…. You DO have to prove some of what you say. Just because you type it doesn’t make it true. I am giving real life examples, and SCIENCE backs me up. You have some thought in your head…. And that’s it. You also are the one that said this proof is out there, so provide it. That’s kind of how this should work. Especially since it has NEVER been proven that there is no correlation between sugar and weight gain. You can throw all the mud you want in an attempt to muddy the waters. No one is saying that only sugar consumption causes these issues. You’re the one saying it unequivocally does not. You are the one saying that there’s mountains of evidence to support your theory. Well, go find the mountains and PROVE IT.
[ME]: hahaaha don’t mistake me for you 🤣🤭. I never assumed, thought or demanded that just because I type something it is true, I didn’t just type something like I am storytelling (👌😂😂). I actually “typed” about something that “already” exists — there is HUGE difference. So realize how significant the implications of this is for you and me both as a whole Marla, because I did not just type something feeling as if I “I got her/him now” because “multiple” people also “told” of this. When I type “about” something that “already” exists and said that “I” don’t have to prove it, meaning that I don’t have to come up with something on a personal level, it is essentially saying that “YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT” since it has been there with or without me, whether I like it or you don’t. People “do”, “did” and “does” manage their weight perfectly fine with exercise, great nutrition and discipline, this happens all the time. So for you to demand proof about something that happens all the time, is some sort of “gotcha game” or “stall” tactic, although executed very smartly 😁😁😆.
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]“I have not seen any formal demonstration in real life where a group of people is monitored constantly over being given things to eat with no sugar added to these very things that commonly have alot of sugar in them, to see if they will lose weight by eating these consumables that have no sugar in them”[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: You not seeing it doesn’t mean it has not happened. I gave you this EXACT information, and you accused me of throwing people under the bus. So when presented with the actual evidence you are requesting, you throw it out because it’s not good enough, despite being EXACTLY what you are requesting here. In real life, 5 people lived together and went on the exact same diet. They were trapped in a house during COVID, so everything anyone did, we all knew about. We prepared every meal together and I knew every ingredient. I simply cut the sugar out of what I was making. We all did. Pancakes are still pancakes even without the sugar. Pie can be made exactly the same, just removing the sugar. That is literally ALL THAT WE DID. Five people lost weight.
[ME]: The real issue is that I need to be able to see it for myself before I can believe it since this is what I chose for this particular case since it is often portrayed that this so-called “evidence” is tangible and can be observed, but I have yet to actually see a direct link between sugar and weight gain in everyday life as clearly and as much as I have seen a direct and clear result of exercise and dieting and their contribution to weight loss. So I cannot go against my better judgment and ignore all of what reality has “consistently” shown to believe some actual “theory” written down in modern times about common issues and giving the impression that it is a “fact” without actually showing how they were able to conclusively arrive at that determination. The “throwing your family under the bus” has nothing to do with the wonderful flawless information that you think you were giving. It was about how you claimed that I think that I know and do not know what you all have done, even though I made it clear that my comments were coming from a general perspective and overall view of the situation, not necessarily about me thinking that I know what your family or sisters or siblings have done. That’s just to provide some context of what that comment was originally about and originally related to.
[YOU]: But I’m sure that somehow that is a response that you will ignore as it goes against your theory, despite it being precisely what you asked me to provide.
[ME]: There is very little need for me to “ignore’ anything, I am perfectly capable of “rebutting” or “refuting” anything with reason and wisdom if need be, so your claim about “ignoring” is just to downplay the response that you get.
[YOU]: I ask for proof of what you say and even clearly define what counts as proof. You tell me it’s laughable that I’m asking for it and provide none. You ask for proof and clearly define what counts as proof to you, I have already supplied it multiple times and am doing it again, but somehow, it won’t count.
[ME]: Yes I said it is laughable that you are asking for it and I also told you why it is laughable that you were asking for it. My reason is that everybody knows that exercising and dieting is what billions of people have been using for centuries to lose weight. I also explained to you, that is what my proof was but according to you it is “nonsense” and not part of “the original point”.
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[YOU]: I exaggerated it to make it sound insane when I said that you said anything about a starvation diet. What you DID say was that it obviously wasn’t just the sugar, there are other ingredients and lifestyle changes and …. blah blah blah.
[ME]: Yes healthy “ingredients”, moderation in terms of food portions and balanced meals, and exercise, have been at the core of turning around people’s lives into healthier and much more sustainable lifestyles; there are examples of this all over the place — you can check youtube, you can check social media etc — what more proof do you need?.
[YOU]:I told you that none of that happened. You maintained that it had to have happened. I tell you again, it didn’t.
[ME]: Ok if it makes you feel better (which I always want 🤗💙) I will take this into account lol. But again, usually when I make certain remarks on this subject, I am addressing the overall issue and not really your actual personal experiences.
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] “ they have become a casualty of your own doing, not mine, since I did not say much about your family at all. All YOU are doing is using every opportunity to say that you know someone who lost weight by removing sugar from their diet”[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: Fine. No one else, and no story telling. I LIVED THROUGH THIS AND I KNOW THE REALITY OF IT, IN MY OWN BODY. Ok? Clear enough?
[ME]: when I said “storytelling” I don’t mean that they are not “true stories”. I just mean that they are “personal accounts” that I cannot use to “officially” conclude or determine anything on the overall issue, from the point of 100% “accuracy”.
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] ‘ Nope it is not just my “personal” observation or personal reality” that millions of people actually lost weight and become “fit” and “healthy” by changing their diets to reduce high food consumption and include balance by adding more nutritional elements while exercising and drinking more water etc.”[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: Again, this was NOT the original point to your post. I never said those things don’t ALSO affect weight, I’m saying that sugar alone can as well.
[ME]: Yes you are saying that sugar can “as well” but I have only seen people effectively manage to lose weight by exercise, proper diet, and lifestyle change, “only”.
[YOU]:And before you start trying to tell me that dieting works and all that, none of that was the original point that you started the argument about. You were saying, quite strongly, that sugar does not affect ones weight. That is the theory that one must put to the scientific method. That is the one that needs to be proven, not some nonsense about dieting which had nothing to do with this in the first place and only entered the picture after I said that I know for a fact what sugar does to my body.
[ME]: Hahaha Marla, I see what you are saying but that is how debates go, sometimes super surprisingly substantiating points are made and introduced to reinforce and add perspective and context. In this, case, what I said was perfectly reasonable and appropriate since it is relevant to the topic at hand — the “original” discussion is about things that cause weight gain/loss and have influence over weight, so I just “reminded you about one of the biggest effective and known proven methods of weight loss.
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] “ I have yet to see the removal of “sugar” and only the removal of sugar come anywhere close to having the same practical results because that’s not how it works. “[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: I don’t diet or exercise. It’s against my religion. I did not suddenly start doing either – I simply cut sugar. Is that practical enough for you?
[ME]: I get that but dieting and exercise didn’t only now start being effective methods to control weight and become healthier for so many people both before and after this whole bizarre notion of sugar being in an anyway associated with weight loss and weight gain. So it still just is super questionable.
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] ““You live in your body” is not a good “bio-logical” way of determining anything. Scientists don’t just know things about a body on a bio-logical level because they live in one, they examine and experiment, do trials, and so on. That’s how they “discover” things; they don’t just discover and learn things because they have a body. “[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: Interesting attempt at ignoring ¾ of that statement.
[ME]: Again I am never trying to “ignore” anything, I may not respond to every single point that you made because I don’t need to respond in that way if it’s not necessary.
[YOU]: I never claimed that by owning a body I knew everything. I never claimed to know everything period. What I said is that I have this body and I put it through all of the tests and request more because I want to know everything there is to know. Not only my experience of living in this body, but what it is doing on a chemical level. I want a cellular level study done whenever I go to the doctor. I have discovered many things about the human body with this method, and I know it to such an extent that I was able to argue down specialists because I knew there were other ways. So please, stop trying to minimize what I do know by ingnoring my entire statement and only pulling one portion out to try to make me sound like I know everything by sheer ability to breathe in a humanoid form. It’s beneath you to act that way.
[ME]: I am not “acting” any “way” — I said that, in context, saying that you know about your body because you live in it, does little to show me how sugar is directly causing obesity and weight gain in any way shape or form. That was the original point of that comment, not this thing about how I am trying to ignore your entire statements and only “pulling portions out”. None of that I said in this comment has anything to do with taking away from your personal experience with your tests and consultations with your doctors and the knowledge that you have gained in doing so. I responded to something that you said specifically by pointing out exactly what about it did not do much to help your case about sugar and weight gain overall.
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[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME] “me to know that these “studies” and “reports” about sugar being associated with weight gain, are unsubstantiated claims “[QUOTE-OF-THE-DAY/ME]
[YOU]: OH! So the studies you claim to want don’t actually PROVE anything? Interesting how that works…
[ME]: Quote me where I actually said that I want “studies” — quote me where I said that I want “RESULTS”. I think that you will have a far easier time with finding one and a next to impossible misery with the other.
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[YOU]: Actually, no. I’ve now reached my limit. You’re basically saying that all scientific research into this is hearsay and “unsubstantiated” sheerly because you don’t believe them. With the country I live in and the atmosphere of said country, this is just one more way for people to scream “fake news” because it reports something that they don’t agree with. Doesn’t make the news fake, or the science that you’re claiming is “unsubstantiated,” it just means you can’t comprehend that ACTUAL reality might differ from what’s in your head.
[ME]: I am not just “claiming” that it’s unsubstantiated just for the sake of doing so; it is a fact that they have not actually proven that sugar is responsible for weight gain nor does various aspects of reality supplement or validate this empty claim that sugar is enough to make people gain weight or that removing sugar is enough to make anyone lose weight. Furthermore, “weight gain” is not a new thing that just came up within the past century or few centuries because of “sugar”, so in fact, the more you look into sugar’s association with weight gain, is the weaker its association begins to show.
[YOU]: So enjoy living in your reality. You’re clearly the king of it, I have no desire to spend time there – I prefer my news and my science based on facts.
[ME]: I prefer EVERYTHING based on “facts” and facts are things that you can show and prove. As as far as I know, sugar making people obese and fat and overweight is not something you see on a provable scale. You can’t prove something that does not exist. Sugar being responsible for “weight gain” is not “proven”, exercise and diet influencing weight, have been proven.
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[YOU]: In the end, it won’t matter what I say, or what is actually true. You will believe what you want to believe. I will continue to know what works for me and my family. So, that’s really all that matters to me. I don’t have the energy to waste on someone who reads what I’ve written, twists it, then demands that the only evidence they will accept is what I’ve already said. It’s repetitive, cyclical and goes no where. I am going to finish my paperwork from yesterday. Have a good night!
[ME]: I will actually be very happy if you continue to know what works for you even though you may not fully understand “why” or “how” it works because what matters is that you at least have some way of dealing with whatever issues you may have, if ever or whenever they happen, which is the most important thing. I did not read and twist anything that you have said, this just appears to be some kind of waning attempt at reverse psychology or something like that on your end which I do not play into on my end, this much has been proven 👍🤣🤣. Now on a more serious note, I wish you well in your work (as always) and have a great evening/night. Even though we didn’t see eye to eye on everything I still appreciated your company 💙💙👍😁😂
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